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		<title>By: Maggie Cartwright</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Cartwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamm&#039;s article is completely trashed on this site. It&#039;s quite a long piece but extensively referenced...

http://manyangrygerbils.typepad.com/many_angry_gerbils/2006/03/oliver_kamm_the.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kamm&#8217;s article is completely trashed on this site. It&#8217;s quite a long piece but extensively referenced&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Why are national newspapers paying him?&lt;/i&gt;

Because he&#039;s connected - why else? He may be a banker himself (I think I spelled that right), but his uncle is Martin Bell, the former BBC correspondent and independent MP. I imagine &lt;i&gt;casa&lt;/i&gt; Kamm has had hot and cold running editors in and out since he was a chabby. His mother is also a well known translator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Why are national newspapers paying him?</i></p>
<p>Because he&#8217;s connected &#8211; why else? He may be a banker himself (I think I spelled that right), but his uncle is Martin Bell, the former BBC correspondent and independent MP. I imagine <i>casa</i> Kamm has had hot and cold running editors in and out since he was a chabby. His mother is also a well known translator.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re altogether too hard on Stephen Fry, dear boy. Even sans the &quot;wit, the looks or the charisma&quot; he&#039;d still be nicer than Ollie.

I just can&#039;t see why Harry&#039;s Place thinks that article is so wonderful. The paragraph you&#039;ve quoted acknowledges one of the great mistakes post 9/11: bin Laden demanded the US withdrew from Saudi Arabia, and by golly they did. Way to go when facing down terror. OK thinks this is a good thing. Holy fucking cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re altogether too hard on Stephen Fry, dear boy. Even sans the &#8220;wit, the looks or the charisma&#8221; he&#8217;d still be nicer than Ollie.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t see why Harry&#8217;s Place thinks that article is so wonderful. The paragraph you&#8217;ve quoted acknowledges one of the great mistakes post 9/11: bin Laden demanded the US withdrew from Saudi Arabia, and by golly they did. Way to go when facing down terror. OK thinks this is a good thing. Holy fucking cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The frog obsession I&#039;ve not actually encountered yet (I mustn&#039;t be a regular enough reader I suppose), but (as you can see) an over-abundance of brackets (or parentheses if you will) isn&#039;t the kind of thing that I&#039;m likely to object to in a writer. Also I rather disagree with the notion that she doesn&#039;t say anything aside from &quot;being vaguely contrarian&quot;.

I grant you she is indeed &quot;vaguely contrarian&quot; (a good thing), but - and perhaps I read too much into her writing - she generally seems to be making a valid social, cultural or political point in my view (and I&#039;m talking here about her proper Tuesday opinion pieces, rather than the short Saturday columns which can be hit and miss).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The frog obsession I&#8217;ve not actually encountered yet (I mustn&#8217;t be a regular enough reader I suppose), but (as you can see) an over-abundance of brackets (or parentheses if you will) isn&#8217;t the kind of thing that I&#8217;m likely to object to in a writer. Also I rather disagree with the notion that she doesn&#8217;t say anything aside from &#8220;being vaguely contrarian&#8221;.</p>
<p>I grant you she is indeed &#8220;vaguely contrarian&#8221; (a good thing), but &#8211; and perhaps I read too much into her writing &#8211; she generally seems to be making a valid social, cultural or political point in my view (and I&#8217;m talking here about her proper Tuesday opinion pieces, rather than the short Saturday columns which can be hit and miss).</p>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe I said &quot;your&quot; instead of &quot;you&#039;re&quot; above, aaarrrgh!  She&#039;s better than Lucy Mangan, I&#039;ll grant you that, and in her favour she is a cyclist, but... the brackets, the frog obsession, the not actually saying anything aside from being vaguely contrarian, aaarrrgh again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I said &#8220;your&#8221; instead of &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221; above, aaarrrgh!  She&#8217;s better than Lucy Mangan, I&#8217;ll grant you that, and in her favour she is a cyclist, but&#8230; the brackets, the frog obsession, the not actually saying anything aside from being vaguely contrarian, aaarrrgh again!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am indeed a &quot;serious&quot; reader of Zoe Williams, I&#039;m afraid &lt;b&gt;Simstim&lt;/b&gt;. Sorry.

I&#039;ve only quite recently begun reading her column, but she generally makes sense to me, and does so with a glorious dash of cynical, yet vaguely absurdist, humour. All in all I think she&#039;s probably the best actual &lt;i&gt;writer&lt;/i&gt; that the &lt;i&gt;Guardian&lt;/i&gt; have on their staff, though everything in that paper is overshadowed (in my view) by George Monbiot&#039;s informative and righteous pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am indeed a &#8220;serious&#8221; reader of Zoe Williams, I&#8217;m afraid <b>Simstim</b>. Sorry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only quite recently begun reading her column, but she generally makes sense to me, and does so with a glorious dash of cynical, yet vaguely absurdist, humour. All in all I think she&#8217;s probably the best actual <i>writer</i> that the <i>Guardian</i> have on their staff, though everything in that paper is overshadowed (in my view) by George Monbiot&#8217;s informative and righteous pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on Kamm, but you&#039;re undercutting yourself if you&#039;re saying your a regular &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; reader of Williams.  She&#039;s symptomatic of why I don&#039;t buy the Guardian anymore, although she&#039;s worth existing just for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://talk.guardian.co.uk/Guardian%20Talk/Media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snarking on the Guardian Talk Boards&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on Kamm, but you&#8217;re undercutting yourself if you&#8217;re saying your a regular <i>serious</i> reader of Williams.  She&#8217;s symptomatic of why I don&#8217;t buy the Guardian anymore, although she&#8217;s worth existing just for the <a href="http://talk.guardian.co.uk/Guardian%20Talk/Media/" rel="nofollow">snarking on the Guardian Talk Boards</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarndyce</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarndyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite being rather unfashionably in favour of invading Iraq (notwithstanding several changes of mind along the way), I still find Kamm an embarassment. With friends like these... so skewer the bastard for all he&#039;s worth. (Oh, and just to clarify: &lt;em&gt;in favour of&lt;/em&gt; meaning &quot;thinking it would probably turn out for the best on balance in the long run&quot;, and in line with some sort of &quot;you broke it, you fix it&quot; obligation going back decades at least, not &lt;em&gt;in favour of&lt;/em&gt; blowing the shit out of thousands of people who never deserved it, or naively thinking Dubya was on a crusade of the righteous and just, before anyone starts...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being rather unfashionably in favour of invading Iraq (notwithstanding several changes of mind along the way), I still find Kamm an embarassment. With friends like these&#8230; so skewer the bastard for all he&#8217;s worth. (Oh, and just to clarify: <em>in favour of</em> meaning &#8220;thinking it would probably turn out for the best on balance in the long run&#8221;, and in line with some sort of &#8220;you broke it, you fix it&#8221; obligation going back decades at least, not <em>in favour of</em> blowing the shit out of thousands of people who never deserved it, or naively thinking Dubya was on a crusade of the righteous and just, before anyone starts&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was excited by his assertion that he is able to see into a parallel universe where we didn&#039;t invade Iraq. Did he use the I-Ching, do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was excited by his assertion that he is able to see into a parallel universe where we didn&#8217;t invade Iraq. Did he use the I-Ching, do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2006/03/14/we-were-wrong-to-invade-iraq/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so tired of these people.  I may become a professional misanthropist, or perhaps a hermit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so tired of these people.  I may become a professional misanthropist, or perhaps a hermit</p>
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