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		<title>By: Jim Bliss</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw shucks, &lt;b&gt;Justin&lt;/b&gt;.

As for you, &lt;b&gt;Larry&lt;/b&gt;... dagnabbit! You saw through my ploy, and just when I thought I was being so clever! Actually, when I initially wrote the line, I honestly wasn&#039;t thinking of it in that light, but of course I immediately saw the disguised boast within it and grinned a wry grin as I published. I thought it would be Merrick who pulled me up on it, or maybe John B (given the contrary comments I&#039;ve been posting to his blog), but I can&#039;t say I&#039;m all that surprised it was you.

&lt;b&gt;Rochenko&lt;/b&gt;... just like &lt;b&gt;Jherad&lt;/b&gt;, I&#039;ve been thinking about getting that book for a wee while and your comment was the final nudge I needed. It&#039;s on the way as I write (though, like Jherad, god only knows when I&#039;ll get round to actually reading it; right now it&#039;s a steady diet of Lacan, Freud and Zizek followed by Jung, Hillman and Edinger for dessert).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw shucks, <b>Justin</b>.</p>
<p>As for you, <b>Larry</b>&#8230; dagnabbit! You saw through my ploy, and just when I thought I was being so clever! Actually, when I initially wrote the line, I honestly wasn&#8217;t thinking of it in that light, but of course I immediately saw the disguised boast within it and grinned a wry grin as I published. I thought it would be Merrick who pulled me up on it, or maybe John B (given the contrary comments I&#8217;ve been posting to his blog), but I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m all that surprised it was you.</p>
<p><b>Rochenko</b>&#8230; just like <b>Jherad</b>, I&#8217;ve been thinking about getting that book for a wee while and your comment was the final nudge I needed. It&#8217;s on the way as I write (though, like Jherad, god only knows when I&#8217;ll get round to actually reading it; right now it&#8217;s a steady diet of Lacan, Freud and Zizek followed by Jung, Hillman and Edinger for dessert).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Teabag</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49263</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I must shamefully confess that you&#039;re probably not reading my best writing&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s not a shameful confession - you talented bastard - it&#039;s a cleverly disguised boast. And you would have got away with it too, if it wasn&#039;t for my X-Ray specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I must shamefully confess that you&#8217;re probably not reading my best writing</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a shameful confession &#8211; you talented bastard &#8211; it&#8217;s a cleverly disguised boast. And you would have got away with it too, if it wasn&#8217;t for my X-Ray specs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Weeden</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49186</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Weeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting example of the same sort of thing in the US. &lt;a href=&quot;http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDE5OTdjNTgzN2Y0Y2YwMGMxZTMxMDIzOGEyZGI3YmM=&quot;&gt;Jonah Goldberg&lt;/a&gt; writes a blog post on &lt;em&gt;one sentence&lt;/em&gt; in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=d6977c2f-4788-468e-8f63-2e92109320fe&quot;&gt;eight webpage review&lt;/a&gt;. &quot;Maybe he makes a great case, but informing us about his conscience sounds like the kind of thing a guy who&#039;s actually wrestling with his conscience tends to do.&quot; But the conscience reference comes after

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=d6977c2f-4788-468e-8f63-2e92109320fe&quot;&gt;For about fifty or sixty pages, I confess, I took the bait, and did my best to work myself into a lather. By page 200--there are 405 pages of actual text--offense was beside the point, and I was mentally imploring the author to get it over with. By page 300, I was bored out of my skull. And by the time I made it to the final pages, I was wishing that I had been invited instead to review a multi-volume history of farm subsidies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because the reviewer &quot;made it all the way to the end&quot;. Some people take time before forming an opinion and others don&#039;t. Only one of these is worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting example of the same sort of thing in the US. <a href="http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDE5OTdjNTgzN2Y0Y2YwMGMxZTMxMDIzOGEyZGI3YmM=">Jonah Goldberg</a> writes a blog post on <em>one sentence</em> in an <a href="http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=d6977c2f-4788-468e-8f63-2e92109320fe">eight webpage review</a>. &#8220;Maybe he makes a great case, but informing us about his conscience sounds like the kind of thing a guy who&#8217;s actually wrestling with his conscience tends to do.&#8221; But the conscience reference comes after</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=d6977c2f-4788-468e-8f63-2e92109320fe"><p>For about fifty or sixty pages, I confess, I took the bait, and did my best to work myself into a lather. By page 200&#8211;there are 405 pages of actual text&#8211;offense was beside the point, and I was mentally imploring the author to get it over with. By page 300, I was bored out of my skull. And by the time I made it to the final pages, I was wishing that I had been invited instead to review a multi-volume history of farm subsidies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because the reviewer &#8220;made it all the way to the end&#8221;. Some people take time before forming an opinion and others don&#8217;t. Only one of these is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jherad</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jherad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, that&#039;s it. I&#039;ve heard about that book too many times now, so I&#039;ve gone ahead and ordered it. It&#039;ll have to join the to-read queue behind Unspeak and Maximum Bob though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, that&#8217;s it. I&#8217;ve heard about that book too many times now, so I&#8217;ve gone ahead and ordered it. It&#8217;ll have to join the to-read queue behind Unspeak and Maximum Bob though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rochenko</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49049</link>
		<dc:creator>Rochenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another fully-paid up member of the Fifty, may I suggest you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/catalog/book.htm?command=Search&amp;db=main.txt&amp;eqisbndata=0701181451&quot;&gt;Nick Davies&#039; new book&lt;/a&gt;, if you haven&#039;t already?  In describing how the press operates largely by regurgitating press releases (as do some of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smokewriting.co.uk/2008/02/13/pipeline-slight-return/&quot;&gt;our elected reps&lt;/a&gt;, of course), it shows that the gap between the Guardian and NME is narrower than ever.  It seems that PR companies, for the journo in a hurry, offer a meat-space version of a quick Googling - they&#039;re always on hand with just the right &#039;facts&#039;, sliced thinly enough to be easily digestible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another fully-paid up member of the Fifty, may I suggest you read <a href="http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/catalog/book.htm?command=Search&amp;db=main.txt&amp;eqisbndata=0701181451">Nick Davies&#8217; new book</a>, if you haven&#8217;t already?  In describing how the press operates largely by regurgitating press releases (as do some of <a href="http://www.smokewriting.co.uk/2008/02/13/pipeline-slight-return/">our elected reps</a>, of course), it shows that the gap between the Guardian and NME is narrower than ever.  It seems that PR companies, for the journo in a hurry, offer a meat-space version of a quick Googling &#8211; they&#8217;re always on hand with just the right &#8216;facts&#8217;, sliced thinly enough to be easily digestible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jherad</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jherad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to come down on Jim&#039;s side on the tabloid issue. I know a number of tabloid readers who will all say they &#039;know&#039; that the muck they read is mostly fictitious, and should be treated as an entertaining comic, but they still manage to internalise the views contained within despite their own professed politics.

Sure, Freddie Starr may well have not eaten that hamster on that particular occasion - but apparently, hamster-eating by that demographic is on the rise.

I&#039;d say the biggest difference between the tabloids and the broadsheets is in the ratio of opinion to information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to come down on Jim&#8217;s side on the tabloid issue. I know a number of tabloid readers who will all say they &#8216;know&#8217; that the muck they read is mostly fictitious, and should be treated as an entertaining comic, but they still manage to internalise the views contained within despite their own professed politics.</p>
<p>Sure, Freddie Starr may well have not eaten that hamster on that particular occasion &#8211; but apparently, hamster-eating by that demographic is on the rise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the biggest difference between the tabloids and the broadsheets is in the ratio of opinion to information.</p>
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		<title>By: DonaldS</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49019</link>
		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tittered at this comment, a little way down that Wells thread:

&gt;I&#039;ve taken Mr Wells at his own word. I didn&#039;t need to read more than the first two paragraphs to know that he is a talentless cock whose views on music are utterly worthless.

And don&#039;t even get me started on travel &quot;journalism&quot;. Or do, but in the pub...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tittered at this comment, a little way down that Wells thread:</p>
<p>&gt;I&#8217;ve taken Mr Wells at his own word. I didn&#8217;t need to read more than the first two paragraphs to know that he is a talentless cock whose views on music are utterly worthless.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on travel &#8220;journalism&#8221;. Or do, but in the pub&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I dearly hope that none of you fifty lovely, discerning, cultured (and outrageously good-looking) people feel you&#039;ve wasted your time after visiting, but I must shamefully confess that you&#039;re probably not reading my best writing.&lt;/i&gt;

As a proud and long time member of the Jim Bliss Fifty (a name for a popular beat combo if ever there was one), can I just say that if that&#039;s the case, your non-blogging writing must be something to behold indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I dearly hope that none of you fifty lovely, discerning, cultured (and outrageously good-looking) people feel you&#8217;ve wasted your time after visiting, but I must shamefully confess that you&#8217;re probably not reading my best writing.</i></p>
<p>As a proud and long time member of the Jim Bliss Fifty (a name for a popular beat combo if ever there was one), can I just say that if that&#8217;s the case, your non-blogging writing must be something to behold indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bliss: The sorry state of journalism - Chicken Yoghurt</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-49001</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss: The sorry state of journalism - Chicken Yoghurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: merrick</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/02/28/the-sorry-state-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-48983</link>
		<dc:creator>merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, three things here.

first, I&#039;m goosed by our simultaneous posting on the same topic. I&#039;m sure that, if  either of us had a readership of any size, someone would suggest we were the same person.

secondly, with you on the Steven Wells stuff. Lazy take the money and run bollocks.

thirdly, I&#039;m with Voyou on the tabloids thing. When I worked on a farm with redneck meatheads, they didn&#039;t care about their paper&#039;s politics. they were sussed enough to treat the Sun and Mirror as comics to read during the teabreak. They were all labour voters, yet most read the then-tory Sun.

I remember seeing a poll in the late 80s or early 90s about peoples politics, the paper they read and how much they trust the editorial line. The closest matches were the Guardian and the Telegraph. Given that their writer lie and fabricate as much as the Sun&#039;s do, it makes the Guardian and the Telegraph far more dangerous newspapers. At least Sun readers don&#039;t believe the bollocks served up to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, three things here.</p>
<p>first, I&#8217;m goosed by our simultaneous posting on the same topic. I&#8217;m sure that, if  either of us had a readership of any size, someone would suggest we were the same person.</p>
<p>secondly, with you on the Steven Wells stuff. Lazy take the money and run bollocks.</p>
<p>thirdly, I&#8217;m with Voyou on the tabloids thing. When I worked on a farm with redneck meatheads, they didn&#8217;t care about their paper&#8217;s politics. they were sussed enough to treat the Sun and Mirror as comics to read during the teabreak. They were all labour voters, yet most read the then-tory Sun.</p>
<p>I remember seeing a poll in the late 80s or early 90s about peoples politics, the paper they read and how much they trust the editorial line. The closest matches were the Guardian and the Telegraph. Given that their writer lie and fabricate as much as the Sun&#8217;s do, it makes the Guardian and the Telegraph far more dangerous newspapers. At least Sun readers don&#8217;t believe the bollocks served up to them.</p>
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