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		<title>Comment on Carbon dioxide emissions per barrel of crude by The Haircut &#124; Planet3.0</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2008/03/20/carbon-dioxide-emissions-per-barrel-of-crude/#comment-52711</link>
		<dc:creator>The Haircut &#124; Planet3.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 03:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Joel</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-50292</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The really disgraceful thing about the Falklands War was the sinking of the Belgrano while it was in retreat.

She was right though about there being no such thing as &#039;society&#039;. But she meant it somewhat differently to the position expounded by Advaita Vedanta so it can stay in the negative column.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really disgraceful thing about the Falklands War was the sinking of the Belgrano while it was in retreat.</p>
<p>She was right though about there being no such thing as &#8216;society&#8217;. But she meant it somewhat differently to the position expounded by Advaita Vedanta so it can stay in the negative column.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You could make it up (but they&#8217;d think you were high) by Jim Bliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Meanwhile, the police have been instructed to shoot people outside the security cordon, who are walking in the opposite direction with their hands in their pockets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, you can&#039;t be too careful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the police have been instructed to shoot people outside the security cordon, who are walking in the opposite direction with their hands in their pockets.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, you can&#8217;t be too careful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You could make it up (but they&#8217;d think you were high) by Paul</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/10/you-could-make-it-up/#comment-49396</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile, the police have been instructed to shoot people outside the security cordon, who are walking in the opposite direction with their hands in their pockets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, the police have been instructed to shoot people outside the security cordon, who are walking in the opposite direction with their hands in their pockets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Philip</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-49138</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Instead of setting precedents by electing women or non-whites, why not set a precedent and elect a competent, compassionate human being with a genuine commitment to social justice and equality?&lt;/i&gt;

Because our political systems are specifically designed to exclude such freaks of nature from high office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Instead of setting precedents by electing women or non-whites, why not set a precedent and elect a competent, compassionate human being with a genuine commitment to social justice and equality?</i></p>
<p>Because our political systems are specifically designed to exclude such freaks of nature from high office.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Jim Bliss</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-48943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also completely agree with you &lt;b&gt;John&lt;/b&gt;... &lt;i&gt;&quot;there is a woman from a working class background who is the PM&quot;&lt;/i&gt;... that&#039;s a long way from unimportant. But Thatcher could have been a woman from a working class background who enacted sane, socially just policies as PM. Except she wasn&#039;t. And while her sex and her background have historical importance in and of themselves, they don&#039;t excuse her misdeeds.

Just as the USA could have elected an African-American president who didn&#039;t order drone strikes. That America is now a nation inclusive enough to elect a black president is a great thing. Doesn&#039;t stop the man being a mass murderer though.

I know that&#039;s not what you were saying. I&#039;m agreeing with you. I just think it&#039;s an opportunity missed. Instead of setting precedents by electing women or non-whites, why not set a precedent and elect a competent, compassionate human being with a genuine commitment to social justice and equality?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also completely agree with you <b>John</b>&#8230; <i>&#8220;there is a woman from a working class background who is the PM&#8221;</i>&#8230; that&#8217;s a long way from unimportant. But Thatcher could have been a woman from a working class background who enacted sane, socially just policies as PM. Except she wasn&#8217;t. And while her sex and her background have historical importance in and of themselves, they don&#8217;t excuse her misdeeds.</p>
<p>Just as the USA could have elected an African-American president who didn&#8217;t order drone strikes. That America is now a nation inclusive enough to elect a black president is a great thing. Doesn&#8217;t stop the man being a mass murderer though.</p>
<p>I know that&#8217;s not what you were saying. I&#8217;m agreeing with you. I just think it&#8217;s an opportunity missed. Instead of setting precedents by electing women or non-whites, why not set a precedent and elect a competent, compassionate human being with a genuine commitment to social justice and equality?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Jim Bliss</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-48942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not entirely sure that The Falklands War was necessary, &lt;b&gt;John&lt;/b&gt;, which is really why it sits in the negative column for me. Don&#039;t get me wrong, as a last resort it was justified* (so long as one doesn&#039;t take a strict pacifist position). But Thatcher&#039;s eagerness to play politics with the conflict almost certainly meant that other avenues were not explored as thoroughly as they might have been. Speculation maybe... but given the rest of the negative column, I&#039;m not inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I quite like Mr. Whippy icecream, &lt;b&gt;Phil&lt;/b&gt;, so I can&#039;t begrudge her that one. Although, it too raises an issue... when she quit working in an icecream lab and entered Westminster, not only did she herald the onset of one of the most socially destructive eras in modern politics, she also denied the world potentially wondrous new icecream recipes.

All-day opening though... yeah, that would make it onto the positive list. I would amend the blogpost but it would undercut the humour, so I&#039;ll just acknowledge it here in the comments.

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* There&#039;s a common misconception that viewing the Argentines as naked aggressors in that war is somehow arguing that Britain has a &quot;rightful claim&quot; to the islands. As far as I can tell, no nation has a convincing claim. Which means the decision is down to the local population and there&#039;s absolutely no question about how they feel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure that The Falklands War was necessary, <b>John</b>, which is really why it sits in the negative column for me. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, as a last resort it was justified* (so long as one doesn&#8217;t take a strict pacifist position). But Thatcher&#8217;s eagerness to play politics with the conflict almost certainly meant that other avenues were not explored as thoroughly as they might have been. Speculation maybe&#8230; but given the rest of the negative column, I&#8217;m not inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.</p>
<p>I quite like Mr. Whippy icecream, <b>Phil</b>, so I can&#8217;t begrudge her that one. Although, it too raises an issue&#8230; when she quit working in an icecream lab and entered Westminster, not only did she herald the onset of one of the most socially destructive eras in modern politics, she also denied the world potentially wondrous new icecream recipes.</p>
<p>All-day opening though&#8230; yeah, that would make it onto the positive list. I would amend the blogpost but it would undercut the humour, so I&#8217;ll just acknowledge it here in the comments.</p>
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* There&#8217;s a common misconception that viewing the Argentines as naked aggressors in that war is somehow arguing that Britain has a &#8220;rightful claim&#8221; to the islands. As far as I can tell, no nation has a convincing claim. Which means the decision is down to the local population and there&#8217;s absolutely no question about how they feel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Phil</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-48808</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, apartheid was item 1.

Some good stuff this evening from &lt;a href=&quot;http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/ken-loach-says-goodbye-to-margaret.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ken Loach&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://flyingrodent.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/my-girls-are-creme-de-la-creme.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flying Rodent&lt;/a&gt; and, er, Tony Blair (the one who lived in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/04/08/thomas-jones/blairs-thatcher-thatchers-blair/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1988&lt;/a&gt;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, apartheid was item 1.</p>
<p>Some good stuff this evening from <a href="http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/ken-loach-says-goodbye-to-margaret.html" rel="nofollow">Ken Loach</a>, the <a href="http://flyingrodent.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/my-girls-are-creme-de-la-creme.html" rel="nofollow">Flying Rodent</a> and, er, Tony Blair (the one who lived in <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/04/08/thomas-jones/blairs-thatcher-thatchers-blair/" rel="nofollow">1988</a>).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by Phil</title>
		<link>http://numero57.net/2013/04/08/thatcher-on-balance/#comment-48770</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The plus column isn&#039;t entirely empty, but it&#039;s not exactly &quot;what did the Romans do for us?&quot;. You didn&#039;t even mention her obstruction of the international campaign against apartheid or her support for James Anderton. 

I&#039;d say that &quot;contempt for a whole swathe of the workforce&quot; doesn&#039;t go nearly far enough. It was contempt for workers generally - with the telling exception of the armed forces and police - and, I&#039;d argue, for &lt;b&gt;work&lt;/b&gt;. There was no dignity of labour for the Thatcherites; there was business and there was profit, and if a business made a profit by screwing its employees, selling junk and generally doing a shoddy job badly, who cared?

I can&#039;t stand Mr Whippy icecream, either so that&#039;s a minus AFAIC. But on the plus side, all-day opening... and, er, that&#039;s it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plus column isn&#8217;t entirely empty, but it&#8217;s not exactly &#8220;what did the Romans do for us?&#8221;. You didn&#8217;t even mention her obstruction of the international campaign against apartheid or her support for James Anderton. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that &#8220;contempt for a whole swathe of the workforce&#8221; doesn&#8217;t go nearly far enough. It was contempt for workers generally &#8211; with the telling exception of the armed forces and police &#8211; and, I&#8217;d argue, for <b>work</b>. There was no dignity of labour for the Thatcherites; there was business and there was profit, and if a business made a profit by screwing its employees, selling junk and generally doing a shoddy job badly, who cared?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand Mr Whippy icecream, either so that&#8217;s a minus AFAIC. But on the plus side, all-day opening&#8230; and, er, that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thatcher: On balance? by john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d stick the Falklands War in a neutral column (war right; Thazza and Murdoch wanking over war was horrid), but otherwise agree with literally everything on your list and where it&#039;s placed.

But &quot;there is a woman from a working class background who is the PM&quot; is more important than nothing given the context of the UK in the late 1970s. The fact that we&#039;d dismiss that as irrelevant now cos she&#039;s white and went to Oxford and married a rich dude is the thing she achieved despite being completely inegalitarian in her own beliefs.

The sheer fact that there was a generation of British kids who grew up where our default pronoun for PM is &quot;she&quot; means something that&#039;s fairly new in society. Even if the default adjective is &quot;awful&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d stick the Falklands War in a neutral column (war right; Thazza and Murdoch wanking over war was horrid), but otherwise agree with literally everything on your list and where it&#8217;s placed.</p>
<p>But &#8220;there is a woman from a working class background who is the PM&#8221; is more important than nothing given the context of the UK in the late 1970s. The fact that we&#8217;d dismiss that as irrelevant now cos she&#8217;s white and went to Oxford and married a rich dude is the thing she achieved despite being completely inegalitarian in her own beliefs.</p>
<p>The sheer fact that there was a generation of British kids who grew up where our default pronoun for PM is &#8220;she&#8221; means something that&#8217;s fairly new in society. Even if the default adjective is &#8220;awful&#8221;.</p>
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